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This case happened in October, 1957, just in the middle of the flat we had that ear.

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And I have a close friend who's a newspaper man.

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He's called Martins and he was one of the men who were with those photographs, taken in 1952 in Rio, do you remember?

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And after those photographs, this man became very interested in UFOs.

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And he has a network of 800 respondents all over the country to report everything about UFOs to him.

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And his magazine pays his expenses when he goes to make personal investigation of the most interesting case.

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And almost every year he publishes articles about the last case.

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Well, this man, this newspaper man, received a letter in November, 1957.

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And in this letter there was a very strange history because the writer said that he had been kidnapped and had been taken to a UFO for several hours.

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And asked my friend if he was interested. He could come from his town to Rio to give his report to him.

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And my friend told me about the case and I told him this man is my friend Martins.

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He asked my advice about this case because he had to pay the expense.

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And I said, well, it could be a good case. Call him to come to Rio. Let's see what is his story.

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And he called the man. He was a 23 years old young man, intelligent with no signs of psychological disturbance.

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He wasn't a crackpot and he wasn't a mystic.

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And he told a very strange story.

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And we made a cross examination of him, which lasts about seven hours.

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We took myself and my friend.

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And this man made the most detailed description of the inside of a UFO that I have seen.

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And he said that he was in a tractor, plowing a field.

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And an object came down, egg-shaped.

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And the motor, the engine of the tractor was started.

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The lights dimmed out and went out.

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And the object came down slowly and landed in four legs, two of four legs.

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I don't remember if it was a triple, four legs.

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And a door was opened and he saw five people in a kind of suit with helmets.

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And they came down in his direction and he tried to run away.

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And there was a fight. He had to fight.

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And at the end he was grasped and taken by force to the UFO.

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And inside the UFO they took his clothes and passed a kind of sponge with a liquid kind of oil substance all over his body.

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And then they took samples of his blood from the chin, his side, this side, with a kind of tube.

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And he had two scars to show us.

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And then he said that he had been taken to a small room with a number of small holes on the walls.

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And then a gas came out from those holes.

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And he was very disturbed. He had bumpings.

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And after a long time the door opened and he saw a woman.

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And this woman was about four feet tall, long hair, blonde, almost white, high cheekbones, a very thin chin.

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And blue eyes slanted on the sides.

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And she talked a very strange language, just like a dog, he said, just like a dog, holding.

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And he saw he had sex contact with this woman.

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And then the others came.

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He never saw the others without the helmets.

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He only was, it was only possible to see the eyes, the glasses, because the helmet was transparent.

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And at the end the humans appeared in another room and the four other persons seated at the table,

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talking with each other for a long time.

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And after a very long talk, they called him by signs, gave him his clothes,

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and showed him the outside of the UFO.

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And the last thing was a man who came with him to the outside.

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He pointed to the ground, he pointed to himself, and he pointed to a star in the south.

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And then he was gone.

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I don't believe this story.

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This story was, we decided that it was too fantastic to be published.

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And we kept the story's secret, like they of course does, for seven years.

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But now another group of investigators went to the town where this man lives,

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and talked to him and got this report.

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But it was a very poor one because after seven years he had forgotten many things.

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And after this I decided to publish the report of this case.

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I think it will be published by Apple.

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The version in Gordon Craven's article is not yours.

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It's not mine, and it's very poor.

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It's because the man in the second interrogation, he had forgotten many things.

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And the report we have has about 12 pages.

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It's very detailed, very, very detailed. Very strange.

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How do you explain it, doctor?

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I can't explain.

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The version of wishful thinking?

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One size did just say that the UFO was approximate.

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There were so many rooms.

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The size of the small zuppelin or small airship.

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The size of this room perhaps?

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Did he describe how long it might have been, how high?

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No, he didn't give the measures.

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He said this was a big room, that one was a small room, but no.

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But he had the size, the distance between the legs on which the object had landed.

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What about the woman? Did she have a helmet on her head as well?

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When he was attacked by the five men, the first one was smaller, he said.

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And this one he pushed in the ground and he said that this one was the woman.

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You said the male approval members, their eyes could be seen, that they had black eyes like the woman did?

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He said he could be sure because the glass was very thick.

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He said that they could have blue eyes, but he could be sure because the glass was very thick.

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Is there any medical reason why blood samples would be taken from the chicken?

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I don't know.

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Perhaps they wanted capillary blood.

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I think that would be the only reason.

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But he would give a capillary blood.

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Physiologically, was this woman the same as he said?

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It was very difficult to get details about his sex contact.

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It was a shame to tell us.

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One thing I'd like to know is who started the whole business?

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Obviously she did.

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Who started?

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The sex contact was initiated by the woman.

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It sounds like the abduction took place.

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The woman came in and just put herself against him.

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It sounds like the abduction took place almost primarily for the sexual contact, which would seem to be another sort of...

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If this can be taken through real case, which is doubtful, but it seems that this might be another sort of experiment as to determine what sort of...

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...a sort of biological experiment.

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If the case is true.

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If this story were true, wouldn't it mean that these people have some way of reading minds of this blast, for example?

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He said that at no moment he had the impression that they were able to read his mind.

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Why would they think him? How would they know that he was a isolate?

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I think they could have been him because he seemed very good health.

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He had good muscles and he was handsome, less than our standards.

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In his report, there is mention to two sightings before the last one.

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One over his house when he saw a light coming from the sky at night, but there was nothing behind the light.

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Only big search light.

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The second one, when he was working in the field with one of his brothers, they saw an object that came down and started to go around them in the field.

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The day after this happened, he was alone and in this day he said he was kidnapped.

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It sounds like the surveillance was being made of this particular person several times before the actual contact.

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Two times before.

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Your seven hour interrogation wasn't able to break him down in any way as to a possible explanation for the...

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No.

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I still cannot believe this story.

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I don't believe because I think it's a story too fantastic to believe.

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But I wasn't able to break him.

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He repeated everything and he...

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Like you said, he seemed to be honest in his story.

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And he took also our advice because in the end we said to him, you were to a report.

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It's not going to be published because it's too fantastic.

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But if you want, you can go tomorrow morning to the newspapers and give him the address of several newspapers in Rio and you could tell them your story.

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And we are absolutely sure that that will be published.

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And he said, quite do you think that my report can be published?

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And we said to him, because it's too fantastic, most people will believe that you are lying.

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And his answer was, well, if you think it's best, I'm going away from my town and not going to talk to anyone.

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And he did just that.

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He went back and his report was not printed.

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He talked with no people.

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And only seven years after he talked the game, when those people who did the investigation for the social review went there.

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Didn't he travel to Rio though, or to consult a doctor?

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I think I read somewhere that he made a trip to Rio not to see newspapers, but to visit someone.

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He sent me a letter asking for drugs, asking for medical advice and for the names of certain drugs.

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But I don't know if he went to Rio.

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And in his last letter, he said to my friend, Martin, that now he was very happy.

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Because now he is a married man.

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And if his report had been published, he would be in a very difficult position now because his wife is very jealous.

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He didn't discount his story one.

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He didn't change the story one.

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At that point he didn't say his goal.

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No.

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He was still sticking by the story. He was just grateful that nobody reported him.

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Yes.

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This was in October 15 or October 14, 1957.

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And there is also a medical observation concerning his case because after his experience, he was very sick for several days.

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He wasn't able to sleep. He lost his appetite. He was very weak.

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And there was a kind of a disruption in his skin.

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And he had several symptoms that suggested like radiation poisoning.